Friday, July 23, 2010

Mosque at Ground Zero.

On Friday, July 23, 2010 I heard Sean Hannity on XM Radio Channel 166. He was saying that we must not allow a Mosque to be built in New York City at Ground Zero. He basis this decision on what the Iman of the proposed Mosque believes and what he might do. It has been said that the Imam wants America to become a more Sharia compliant society. He believes that America's actions are responsible for 9/11. During one conversation he also said that he wouldn't support a church for satanic worship. This gives evidence that Mr. Hannity does not understand the Constitution of the United States, freedom or liberty. Mr. Hannity gives as proof of his understanding of the First Amendment the fact that he makes a living with the First Amendment. I beg to differ. He makes his living as a talk show host. He told one of his callers that you can't yell fire in a theater. This is a false statement. You can yell fire in a theater if there is a fire. You can yell fire in a theater if the theater is empty. If you yell fire in a crowded theater and cause a panic is when the problems arise. The same would be true if you yelled tire in a crowded theater and caused a panic. The limit is not on the speech, the limit is on the results of the speech. With all rights come responsibilities. You have the freedom to say anything you want as long as you don't infringe on the rights of others. If you cause a panic with with what you say you are infringing on the rights of those panicked.

Before I continue, I must give full disclosure. The first Presidential election in which I was able to vote was between Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter. I voted for President Reagan. I've been a registered Republican since that first election. I don't always vote for Republican, I vote for the person that I feel will best uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States.

Back to the Mosque. We were not attacked by Muslims or the Muslim religion. We were attacked by a group of radical criminals who, in my opinion, perverted their religion to justify their actions. There have been criminals in every major religion that haver perverted their religion to justify violence against others. Many Catholic priests have committed sexual violence against a great number of children over the years. We didn't rush to ban building Catholic churches anywhere. Many white supremacist groups , including the KKK, consider themselves members of the Christian church. We don't rush to ban their existence or the building of Christian churches based on these groups. Our founding fathers fought hard for this country. Part of the reason they did so was for religious freedom.
Mr. Hannity complains loudly about possible attempts of the Government to limit talk radio. There are people in this country that don't agree with what talk radio says so it should be okay with Mr. Hannity to stop it. After all, Mr. Hannity and other talk show hosts are okay with the the Patriot Act. Part of this act makes it okay for the Federal Government to do warrant less wiretaps in this country. Because this is in direct violation of the founding principles, we should be able to stop his and other shows.

The mindset of people that want to ban things amazes me. Even if Mr. Hannity and others were able to stop the Mosque, they won't stop the Imam from his beliefs. This country banned the manufacture, sale, and transportation of alcohol in this country in 1919. This ban did nothing to stop the manufacture, sale, or transportation in this country. Prohibition did more to increase crime in this country than the thing they attempted to ban. Because prohibition increased crime, the Government created the FBI, an agency with no basis in the Constitution of the United States. The increase in crime was directly responsible for the Gun Control Act of 1934. A law that is in violation of the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution. The unintended consequences of banning something are usually more onerous than the thing being banned.

If the things said about the Imam are true he disgusts me. I will not, however, infringe on any of his rights. If he, or anyone else, does something to harm this country I will do everything with in my power to bring those people to justice. We can never live with freedom and liberty if we are willing to so easily deny it to others based solely on their beliefs.

8 comments:

  1. "Many Catholic priests have committed sexual violence against a great number of children over the years. We didn't rush to ban building Catholic churches anywhere."

    It turns out that pedophilia is not a central tennant of the Catholic Church. And is discouraged by the church. And is seen as a perversion.

    Jihad is a central tennant of islam. Sharia is a central tennant of islam.

    There's your difference.

    It's time to accept islam for what the Koran and Hadiths claim it is: a political/mystical system for organizing civilization around brutality, enslavement, and conquest; born out through 1400 of consistent behavior, and amplified by recent events.

    Spend a few minutes, months, years studying islam - and wake up to reality.

    Kill the rabid dog, or be eaten by it.

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    "We can never live with freedom and liberty if we are willing to so easily deny it to others based solely on their beliefs."

    There can be no freedom or liberty if you do not remove the crazy violent people hell bent on conquering and enslaving you.

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  2. I have spent a few hours studying Islam. I don't agree with much of what I have learned. However, my beliefs have nothing to do with ones first amendment right. Until they have infringed on my rights or attacked my country, I can do nothing to them. The Imam wishing to build this Mosque and Community Center has a questionable background but I see no evidence that he has committed any crime. No I don't believe the Constitution is a suicide pact. Spend a few minutes, months, years studying our Constitution and other founding documents - and wake up to the reality of Freedom and Liberty.

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  3. For once maybe ;) I completely agree with you. I also think "sofa" would do well to learn the definition of "Jihad". That they don't already know what it means tells me they themselves haven't done much research into Islam.

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  4. Kalee_H - This sofa has spent significant time in islamic countries and the ring of fire regions, boots on the ground; and read much koran and ahaditha and 1400 years of history.
    Jihad is reality.

    Keep pretending against reality.

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  5. "If the things said about the Imam are true he disgusts me. I will not, however, infringe on any of his rights. If he, or anyone else, does something to harm this country I will do everything with in my power to bring those people to justice." -theaton

    The discussion seems to pivot on "is islamic jihad a war, or are all individual acts assessed within criminal law".

    My position is that islamic jihad is a war.
    Your post suggests that individuals may (only after the fact) be guilty of crimes, and that jihadis have rights.

    < please correct me if that's wrong >

    Two different views.
    I would say all the data supports the proposition that islam is openly at war with the west and with america and with you and with me. And Darwin suggests that ignoring a war being waged against you, has consequences. Darwin speaks.
    You may say that it doesn't matter until any particular individual commits a crime that can be prosecuted.

    < again, please correct me if that's wrong >

    Would enjoy discussing this more, if you're tolerant enough of alternative perspectives and willing to try to 'win me over'.

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  6. (more on Jihad is reality)

    How are pious muslims observing ramadan?http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

    How about all those terrorist acts by Christians and Jews sincve 9/11? 0.
    How many islamic jihad attacks against christians since 9/11?
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/ChristianAttacks.htm

    Data for contemplation.

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    Not all muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are muslims.

    If there was any significant percentage of pious muslims against jihad, then wouldn't the terrorism be greatly reduced, rather than inflamed by islam?

    And what about the individual/personal/family brutality and violence that sharia is?

    The data (recently and across 1400 years) is that Islam is violent brutality at the personal level, within a society, and directed at all other societies.

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  7. (more data for Kalee_H to study)
    (from http://www.thereligionofpeace.com )

    Put the Numbers in Perspective

    More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined.

    Islamic terrorists murder more people every day than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years.

    More civilians were killed by Muslims in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland.

    19 Muslim hijackers killed more innocents in two hours on September 11th than the number of American criminals executed in the last 65 years.

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    Consider: How many military were killed at Pearl Harbor to trigger WW2? How many civilians on 9/11?

    Similar reality, but different responses now that our 'leadership' gladly accepts massive amounts of Saudi money for personal use (Bush, Clinton, Bush). hmmm.

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  8. (more data for Kalee_H to study)
    (from http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2010/08/koran-holy-book-or-hate-literature.html#readfurther )

    The barbarism committed by Muslim radicals has involved diverse ethnic groups of Muslims, from India to Israel to Indonesia to Spain to England. “This reveals that there is a cohesive source that motivates all of them to commit such atrocities…The cohesive core of Islam that continues to inspire its long history of violence is the Koran and the sayings and actions of Muhammad himself”.
    -Hal Lindsey

    please read the whole thing

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    And don't forget all the parents and teachers and texbooks and clerics spewing hate and murder.

    What is jihad? It is the duty of every muslim.
    Internally. Within his social circle. And upon the infidels.

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